So there is, of course, this dichotomy between the whole of our being is the being of God. But, there is some, there are levels and so at one end one is so conscious of one’s personal individual identity that one has lost the identity of the whole divine God-consciousness. And then at the other end you can be in a state where you’re so immersed in divine consciousness that you lose your personal consciousness.

And somehow we want to, of course, be able to travel along this pendulum. Because it’s like a pendulum. The bottom is moving in time, the top is stationary. So that’s what the practice is. How can we use this image of the pendulum in order to awaken into what is called God-consciousness. And I say it is the sacred that is the test and the condition, let’s say, for accessing that higher knowledge, it's what is called, what we mean by awakening. And that’s why Nifari says, he’s a Sufi, he says, “I am not allowed to give you the key to the treasury." You have to be ready for it.

So there’s a sense that there are limits to what one can teach or what I can teach. But of course you have to do it yourself. But there are practices that might help you. We have this view now, this paradigm that will help us from just finding ourselves in one pole and then the other. The importance is to be able to extrapolate between these two poles of our being. So, instead of thinking of God as “Him, up there somewhere,” that it is really the superior pole of our being is coextensive with that of all other beings and that’s probably what we mean by “God.” But, nevertheless, everything is God, even physical matter.